A Couple of Articles
Sep. 14th, 2008 01:40 pmUS election diary: Stupid season
US 'in need of rebellion'
"I think one thing you can definitely say about Al Jazeera is that it will and does evoke a reaction." - Rageh Omaar
Women Candidates
Sep. 3rd, 2008 11:16 pmIn the meantime, I just want to bring up something that's nagging at my brain. I don't advocate voting in a candidate based simply on gender and/or sex. But if it's so important and so historic that there are women who have been running or are currently running for President and/or Vice President, and there's a drive to break the glass ceiling, why isn't anyone paying attention to the Green Party? Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente are running as Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates in the current election. While the Republicans and Democrats aren't really speaking out against the police brutality at the DNC and RNC, they are.
I'm not advocating voting for them. At least not yet. I don't know enough about them. I'm just advocating that people should take a look. As someone who tends to identify as a Green and was active in the NH Green Party, I find this very intriguing.
"Ever since I came to Congress in 1992, there are those who have been trying to silence my voice. I've been told to "sit down and shut up" over and over again. Well, I won't sit down and I won't shut up until the full and unvarnished truth is placed before the American people." - Cynthia McKinney
Red Vs. Blue
Sep. 2nd, 2008 11:55 pmI had such hopes that Thompson was actually going to be respectful because he wasn't resorting to the usual name-calling and smearing at first, but that sadly changed as his speech wore on. Lieberman was seemingly a whiney brat lashing out at his party (he still claimed to be a Democrat while speaking even though he's supposedly now Independent) because he had to go independent just to keep his seat. But hey. Who knows. Maybe he actually does believe McCain is the best person for the job.
I'm not sure how I feel about Laura Bush's speech, especially the part where she highlighted the women working for the Bush Administration.
"Fellow citizens: If the Hanoi Hilton could not break John McCain's resolve to do what is best for his country, you can be sure the angry left never will." - George W. Bush
“I don’t know the governor…I know people worry about Biden-style talk, but the truth is I simply don’t know. I take her on face value. She’s a governor, that’s no mean feat and she seems to have a strong personal story.” - Joe Biden
Third Party Candidates
Aug. 30th, 2008 12:19 amI heard on NHPR earlier today that Nader managed 1700 more signatures than the required 3,000 (1,500 from each of the two districts) and was thrilled to hear it. Even if I don't vote for him I am glad to see him on the ballot. Plus that his supporters were able to collect 1,700 more signatures above and beyond is a good sign. I remember in 2000 we managed about that many and it was very difficult to accomplish, but we did it. One of my fondest memories of the nomination signatures drive was meeting the folks working to get signatures for other third party candidates and trading signatures. We all had a pretty easygoing attitude where we all knew what it was like and we were all interested in opening up the ballots to all, so we helped each other out even though we were signing for candidates for whom we didn't plan to vote.
I started looking over the Libertarian candidate's site and liked some of what I read. I was also very happy to see so many Libertarians on the ballot for various state and federal seats. I may actually vote Libertarian for Senate! I know what Shaheen was like as Governor and, while I was somewhat satisfied, I was extremely dismayed by some of her actions, such as vetoing a repeal of the death penalty even after it had passed both chambers of our state legislature and the state hadn't executed anyone since the 30s. I definitely do not like the incumbent Republicans. I've written to them both numerous times on a host of issues and have rarely found them responding favorably or with any decent explanation of their position. And they both for the most part act as Bush rubber-stamps. Yeah, Sununu stood up once or twice, but that was around 2006 when there was so much fear for Republican seats so I chalk that up to him trying to rescue Charlie Bass and Jeb Bradley. Fat chance! We sent them packing! And good riddance! I still remember having conversations with Bass. Like the time he mentioned that he was supporting federal franchising for cable, especially since it would give local communities the right to build broadband for themselves. Too bad the state already gave NH towns and cities that very right about a month or two before we were having that conversation. Where was the incentive? Were your interns sleeping on the job there Charlie?
Anyhow... political rambling. Yay. Maybe the third parties will only pull about 1 - 4% in the election. I'm still rooting for them. We need more than two dominant parties in this country. I am so tired of this binary mindset this country clings to so fervently. If our country really is as interested in non-partisan politics as we seem to enjoy claiming, we should really get behind tearing apart the Republican/Democrat false dichotomy. Having more than two parties in the mainstream means parties have to work together and build coalitions to garner a majority on an issue up for consideration. As long as we have Rep/Dem, Red/Blue, Con/Lib, Elephant/Ass, et cetera, ad nauseum, we'll always have that "us against them" stalemate where neither side really makes much of a concerted effort to work with the other very often.
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"We have a complete void of progressive politics in this country right now. The will of the people goes ignored and unrealized. I'm searching for the people that can enter the political system, a strong third party. We need to consolidate." - Ani Difranco
+5 Spell of Distraction
Aug. 29th, 2008 08:07 pmFor those who remember my rant a little bit ago about the McCain blogger that disparaged D&D players, he apologized. You can read Michael Goldfarb's apology here, and please do take a moment to read the comments because they are great!
"Congrats, you've achieved the coveted Coffee Spluttered All Over My Keyboard critical hit." - Craig Berry
DNC Inside and Out
Aug. 27th, 2008 09:11 pmLet's look at outside:
The same police brutality happened last election and the election before. Violence committed by police against peaceful protesters is just as unwarranted and unlawful as any other violence. Police not having visible means of identification is unlawful. I wonder if the mainstream media is ignoring any speaking out happening against this inside or if the Democrats are just willfully ignoring and/or enabling it.
McCain?
Obama?
Nader?
Other?
None of the above?
I'm not sure yet who I will pick, but I know it won't be McCain or None of the above (although I still hope to listen to the RNC). I'm not entirely sold on Obama as this great candidate everyone makes him out to be, but I do like some of what I hear. I find it likely that I would vote for him, and I'm not sure if that would be leser of two evils or earnest good candidate. The possibility that I could vote for someone simply because of the feeling they might be the lesser of two evils really bothers me on a fundamental level, but I have to admit there is a certain amount of actual refreshment in what I'm seeing and hearing from Obama and company. I've supported Nader twice now but this time around I just can't entirely get motivated to do it again. He just seems to have gone... I don't know. He's going the H. Ross route, though I don't think he's so barmy to claim aliens or Mexicans kidnapped family or anything like that. Just disgruntled in the cranky "I want to avoid you" kind of way. Still I would like to hear more from him. I'm still very much disenfranchised with this perpetuation of the two-party system both in the system itself and the portrait the mainstream media paints of the system.
It was nice to hear Bill Clinton list off sexual orientation in the "regardless of" list. I am strongly wanting to hear politicians include gender identity/expression among those kinds of lists.
Anyway... I'm rambling. Time to stop.
"This country has far more problems than it deserves and far more solutions than it applies." - Ralph Nader
McCain?
Obama?
Nader?
Other?
None of the above?
I'm not sure yet who I will pick, but I know it won't be McCain or None of the above (although I still hope to listen to the RNC). I'm not entirely sold on Obama as this great candidate everyone makes him out to be, but I do like some of what I hear. I find it likely that I would vote for him, and I'm not sure if that would be leser of two evils or earnest good candidate. The possibility that I could vote for someone simply because of the feeling they might be the lesser of two evils really bothers me on a fundamental level, but I have to admit there is a certain amount of actual refreshment in what I'm seeing and hearing from Obama and company. I've supported Nader twice now but this time around I just can't entirely get motivated to do it again. He just seems to have gone... I don't know. He's going the H. Ross route, though I don't think he's so barmy to claim aliens or Mexicans kidnapped family or anything like that. Just disgruntled in the cranky "I want to avoid you" kind of way. Still I would like to hear more from him. I'm still very much disenfranchised with this perpetuation of the two-party system both in the system itself and the portrait the mainstream media paints of the system.
It was nice to hear Bill Clinton list off sexual orientation in the "regardless of" list. I am strongly wanting to hear politicians include gender identity/expression among those kinds of lists.
Anyway... I'm rambling. Time to stop.
"This country has far more problems than it deserves and far more solutions than it applies." - Ralph Nader
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Apparently people supporting Obama are basement-dwelling D&D addicts. You know, the bad, cliche, mostly-inaccurate gamer stereotype. I guess McCain and his supporters think that is what the average Democrat/liberal/Obama supporter is. Huh. Makes me want to go right out and vote for him, this does...
http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=181471d0-5456-4434-9f78-2f30ffc39459
But hey, I'm all for McCain and his supporters going around pissing everyone off, shoving his own foot in his mouth, and alienating as many people as possible. Keep it up McCain! I don't think I could do a better job than you and your supporters in persuading people to not vote for you!
The line in question: "It may be typical of the pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons crowd to disparage a fellow countryman's memory of war from the comfort of mom's basement, but most Americans have the humility and
gratitude to respect and learn from the memories of men who suffered on behalf of others."
Just Because
Jul. 12th, 2008 02:36 pmI was surfing YouTube for Dead Kennedys because I had California Uber Alles stuck in my head. I figured after listening to it that I may as well enjoy some more DK since our CD collection is still packed away and all I have are a handful of mp3s and YouTube. Here are a couple I thought I would share:
"We've Got A Bigger Problem Now" is an updated version of California Uber Alles written about President Reagan and starts with a lounge jazz intro. Gotta love DK (the original, that is, not the travesty that has since reunited without Jello).
And since I love the song and like the irony of watching a music video of the song on YouTube and in general watching music videos there instead of MTV (which doesn't even really play music videos anymore!), here's MTV Get Off The Air:
And since I love the song and like the irony of watching a music video of the song on YouTube and in general watching music videos there instead of MTV (which doesn't even really play music videos anymore!), here's MTV Get Off The Air:
I love watching DK live. :) I only wish I could have experienced it for real...
And now, because Jello rocks, here's and interview and then I'll stop vidspamming.
And now, because Jello rocks, here's and interview and then I'll stop vidspamming.
Clinton and GLBT Rights
Apr. 21st, 2008 08:02 amThank you
jamaesi for posting about your opportunity to meet Bill Clinton and hear him speak!
While I don't know the context in which the discussion happened or what exactly was said, apparently at Waynesburg University Bill Clinton spoke about not giving different rules for different people and asked why GLBT people should have different rules than straight people. Now, I would hope that this would perhaps be prodding to encourage same-sex marriage and equal rights, but I suspect given Hilary's stance that she supports civil unions and not same-sex marriage (you know, different rules, separate and unequal) that this was more a condemnation of same-sex marriage.
Same-sex marriage is not about giving GLBT people different rules or special dispensation. If anything it's quite the contrary: it's seeking to make the same rule apply to all. Straight people can freely marry the person they love. They don't have to worry about whether their state has laws against it or the federal government has laws against it or whether even if it's permitted that some group of people will successfully lobby to have their ability to marry taken away. GLBT people, on the other hand, have to deal with all of this. And beyond the legal right to do it or not, the ability to get married is the gatekeeper to an assortment of basic needs for any couple: the need to be part of medical and/or financial decisions when one's partner is in poor health, just being able to be with one's partner in the hospital, being able to have children and start a family together, having all tax options available, et cetera. Civil unions don't accomplish this, even in the case of New Hampshire that gives on a state level the "full" benefits and responsibilities of marriage. That's nice, but the federal government doesn't recognize that for their purposes.
I've even heard or read the argument that GLBT people have the same legal right to marriage as anyone else, just so long as they marry someone of the opposite sex. That's ludicrous. Gays and lesbians, and even some bisexual people, can't marry the people they love in that case. Straight people can. That doesn't seem at all equal to me. If we take that logic and extend it to same-sex marriage, then there would be nothing stopping a straight person from entering into same-sex marriage, either, so how would same-sex marriage be unequal?
Same-sex marriage and other GLBT rights are not about giving GLBT people different rules. The current laws exclude GLBT people so it's currently a state of different rules for different people. This needs to be rectified. Clinton won't do that. McCain won't do that. I'm not even confident that Obama will do that. Regardless of which candidates will or won't, we need to keep pushing for it and letting them know that we won't tolerate separate and unequal any longer.
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While I don't know the context in which the discussion happened or what exactly was said, apparently at Waynesburg University Bill Clinton spoke about not giving different rules for different people and asked why GLBT people should have different rules than straight people. Now, I would hope that this would perhaps be prodding to encourage same-sex marriage and equal rights, but I suspect given Hilary's stance that she supports civil unions and not same-sex marriage (you know, different rules, separate and unequal) that this was more a condemnation of same-sex marriage.
Same-sex marriage is not about giving GLBT people different rules or special dispensation. If anything it's quite the contrary: it's seeking to make the same rule apply to all. Straight people can freely marry the person they love. They don't have to worry about whether their state has laws against it or the federal government has laws against it or whether even if it's permitted that some group of people will successfully lobby to have their ability to marry taken away. GLBT people, on the other hand, have to deal with all of this. And beyond the legal right to do it or not, the ability to get married is the gatekeeper to an assortment of basic needs for any couple: the need to be part of medical and/or financial decisions when one's partner is in poor health, just being able to be with one's partner in the hospital, being able to have children and start a family together, having all tax options available, et cetera. Civil unions don't accomplish this, even in the case of New Hampshire that gives on a state level the "full" benefits and responsibilities of marriage. That's nice, but the federal government doesn't recognize that for their purposes.
I've even heard or read the argument that GLBT people have the same legal right to marriage as anyone else, just so long as they marry someone of the opposite sex. That's ludicrous. Gays and lesbians, and even some bisexual people, can't marry the people they love in that case. Straight people can. That doesn't seem at all equal to me. If we take that logic and extend it to same-sex marriage, then there would be nothing stopping a straight person from entering into same-sex marriage, either, so how would same-sex marriage be unequal?
Same-sex marriage and other GLBT rights are not about giving GLBT people different rules. The current laws exclude GLBT people so it's currently a state of different rules for different people. This needs to be rectified. Clinton won't do that. McCain won't do that. I'm not even confident that Obama will do that. Regardless of which candidates will or won't, we need to keep pushing for it and letting them know that we won't tolerate separate and unequal any longer.
From the AP:
Undeterred, Clinton said the competition would only strengthen the party in the long run.
Undeterred, Clinton said the competition would only strengthen the party in the long run.
"This spirited, exciting contest is actually a real plus for us," she said while campaigning in Indiana, which has its primary two weeks after Pennsylvania's April 22 vote.
Ummm... no. Actually, the bickering is only HURTING the Democrats, but nice try. Give up. Please Hilary, just give up. I don't want another eight years of Republican warmongering because Democrats are too busy having a pissing contest.Hilary vs. Yoko
Mar. 14th, 2008 03:57 pmReal quick before I start work tonight...
I was in the bathroom and saw the best bathroom stall graffiti I've seen in a long time. It was a cartoon drawing and the character in the drawing had a bubble cloud that read:
"Saying that Hilary has executive experience is like saying Yoko was a Beatle."
That is so made of win. :)
I was in the bathroom and saw the best bathroom stall graffiti I've seen in a long time. It was a cartoon drawing and the character in the drawing had a bubble cloud that read:
"Saying that Hilary has executive experience is like saying Yoko was a Beatle."
That is so made of win. :)
Surprised? Nope.
Jan. 9th, 2008 10:59 amSurprise, surprise. A recent study found the US ranked dead last among industrialized nations in health care despite all the money we spend on it. The measure for this was the number of preventable deaths. One of the biggest (but certainly not the only) factors was the high number of uninsured Americans. Canada and Australia were among the highest ranking. I really don't want to hear anyone complaining the Canada health care is so much worse than American health care because the government provides health care. At least according to this study, that just isn't the case. I'm wondering if there are other similar studies available that show the same thing...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/lf_afp/ushealthfrancemortality_080108191353
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/lf_afp/ushealthfrancemortality_080108191353
Presidential Campaign Quiz
Jan. 7th, 2008 08:33 am100% Dennis Kucinich
98% Mike Gravel
80% John Edwards
78% Chris Dodd
77% Barack Obama
74% Joe Biden
73% Hillary Clinton
70% Bill Richardson
28% Ron Paul
28% Rudy Giuliani
19% John McCain
13% Mike Huckabee
13% Mitt Romney
12% Tom Tancredo
5% Fred Thompson
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
Yup. Pretty much what I figured... But Giuliani the #2 Republican? As much as I dislike McCain, I'd choose him over Giuliani any day.
98% Mike Gravel
80% John Edwards
78% Chris Dodd
77% Barack Obama
74% Joe Biden
73% Hillary Clinton
70% Bill Richardson
28% Ron Paul
28% Rudy Giuliani
19% John McCain
13% Mike Huckabee
13% Mitt Romney
12% Tom Tancredo
5% Fred Thompson
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
Yup. Pretty much what I figured... But Giuliani the #2 Republican? As much as I dislike McCain, I'd choose him over Giuliani any day.
Political Ad Junk Mail
Jan. 2nd, 2008 11:01 amMaybe Obama has a good environmental record, but his campaign certainly does not. I receive some sort of paper advertisement from his campaign almost daily. Today I received three in one day. That's right: three ads in one day. How many trees must you kill to get elected, Obama? I'm not sure which is worse in regard to junk mail: Obama, Richardson or the Alliance for a New America touting Edwards. I know who I'm voting for in the primary, and I can guarantee you it's none of these three. For the past two weeks I've been marking every piece I receive "return to sender" and putting it back in the outgoing mail. Maybe if they have to pay to take it all back they'll get the point?
Have any of you been receiving massive amounts of junk mail from candidates? Which ones? What do you do with it?
Have any of you been receiving massive amounts of junk mail from candidates? Which ones? What do you do with it?
Christmas Day
Dec. 26th, 2007 08:41 amI slept in a little (not too much) and ended up rushing down to get the turkey started. Fortunately I had prepared the stuffing the nght before, which made things a lot easier. I wasn't the only forgetful one as it turns out. My mom forgot to remove the ham from the freezer! *chuckle* She had put the ham in the oven around 5:30 in the morning in the hopes it would thaw and cook. By the time I had come down to cook the turkey it was thawed and partially cooked enough to be carved and put in a crock pot while I cooked the turkey.
While the turkey cooked I showered and got all dressed up and such. I got to watch half of A Christmas Story before my dad got home from work and the family started showing up. I really do like that movie. They kinda remind me of my family. Unfortunately it was edited for television, so...
Gram was the first to arrive. We had some nice conversation. We ended up talking politics and my dad decided that Gram and I needed to watch Zeitgeist. It's an interesting movie with some valid points. I have seen the comparisons of Christ to other religious figures and to sun worship before, so that was nothing new. I agree with some of the points regarding 9/11. I totally agree with the Federal Reserve points as it is well documented that its beginnings were founded in a major fraud conspiracy by the leading bankers of the day. I am a firm believer that money is the root of most evil. The whole "Illuminati" (they didn't come right out and say it, but...) and one-world government conspiracy theory was a little too far fetched for me. It was very interesting. It definitely gets one thinking. I have some issues with some of their presentation and one part in particular where it is very obvious they were chopping up a video clip to make it say something they wanted it to say (the former LA police officer).
About half an hour into it
painted_wolf woke up and came down. Apparently dad had gone up to get something from my parents bedroom not knowing
painted_wolf was still in there, and she had just gotten up to get dressed and... well, he was more embarrassed about it than she was. lol
My sisters still hadn't shown up by the movie's end. My mom really needed help with cooking the veggies so gram,
painted_wolf, dad and I pitched in and finished dinner while mom rested. For dinner it was pretty much just my parents, gram, my sisters and brothers-in-law, the nieces and nephews and my cousin M. Everyone seemed to really enjoy the turkey and stuffing, which was nice. I really enjoyed having ham after so long without having any.
After dinner my cousin's friend showed up, but we didn't get to talk much. They ended up disappearing into my cousin's room so they could talk in privacy. My cousins from my dad's side showed up shortly after and we had some more wonderful conversation over apple cake. When they left, gram left and then we left shortly after. Mom sent us home with all kinds of leftovers. She packed ham for
painted_wolf and turkey for me.
painted_wolf is definitely tired of turkey whereas I am the type that could eat turkey al year and never get tired of it. We also brought home the ham stock so we could make soup. We still have the turkey stock from Thanksgiving so we can make soup from that at some point, too.
All in all it was a wonderful visit with family. I really enjoyed it!
While the turkey cooked I showered and got all dressed up and such. I got to watch half of A Christmas Story before my dad got home from work and the family started showing up. I really do like that movie. They kinda remind me of my family. Unfortunately it was edited for television, so...
Gram was the first to arrive. We had some nice conversation. We ended up talking politics and my dad decided that Gram and I needed to watch Zeitgeist. It's an interesting movie with some valid points. I have seen the comparisons of Christ to other religious figures and to sun worship before, so that was nothing new. I agree with some of the points regarding 9/11. I totally agree with the Federal Reserve points as it is well documented that its beginnings were founded in a major fraud conspiracy by the leading bankers of the day. I am a firm believer that money is the root of most evil. The whole "Illuminati" (they didn't come right out and say it, but...) and one-world government conspiracy theory was a little too far fetched for me. It was very interesting. It definitely gets one thinking. I have some issues with some of their presentation and one part in particular where it is very obvious they were chopping up a video clip to make it say something they wanted it to say (the former LA police officer).
About half an hour into it
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My sisters still hadn't shown up by the movie's end. My mom really needed help with cooking the veggies so gram,
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After dinner my cousin's friend showed up, but we didn't get to talk much. They ended up disappearing into my cousin's room so they could talk in privacy. My cousins from my dad's side showed up shortly after and we had some more wonderful conversation over apple cake. When they left, gram left and then we left shortly after. Mom sent us home with all kinds of leftovers. She packed ham for
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All in all it was a wonderful visit with family. I really enjoyed it!
Video Voter Education
Dec. 20th, 2007 07:59 pmJust in case any of you wondered what I do for work, here's a sample. The Town Clerk and I got together and made this informational video in just a couple of hours to educate voters on the new ballots and what to expect at the polls. Not only will this cablecast on the government access channel, but it's also available on the town website. This is the best part of my job: I get to have a positive impact on the community while applying my technology skills and having fun playing with gadgets. :)
AT&T vs. Pearl Jam
Aug. 22nd, 2007 11:38 amA short while ago
canongrrl posted this entry about AT&T censoring Pearl Jam. Please read her post to get an idea of what happened. There was some debate there as to whether AT&T actively censored Pearl Jam or whether it was an accident as AT&T claims. It has come out that Davey Brown Entertainment, the vendor hired by AT&T to produce the webcast, DID actively censor Pearl Jam when they spoke out against Bush.
Now Trillium Asset Management Corporation (Trillium), a socially responsible investment firm with over 200,000 shares of AT&T Inc. common stock under management, is demanding answers from AT&T and want to know how much AT&T knew about Davey Brown Entertainment's actions before the censorship went public.
Read Trillium's letter here.
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Now Trillium Asset Management Corporation (Trillium), a socially responsible investment firm with over 200,000 shares of AT&T Inc. common stock under management, is demanding answers from AT&T and want to know how much AT&T knew about Davey Brown Entertainment's actions before the censorship went public.
Read Trillium's letter here.
Cheney Used To Know Better
Aug. 16th, 2007 12:04 pmFirst, let's watch a video, shall we?
Wow! Now that seemed like a complete 180-degree turn on Iraq! So what could have happened since 1994 that changed Cheney's mind so drastically on Iraq, even though he so accurately prognosticated what would happen if the US invaded? Oh yeah! He went to work for Halliburton from 1995-2000 and still receives stock and salary benefits from Halliburton as part of his very sweet "retirement" (or as some might argue promotion) package when he stole the White House alongside Bush. Yes, the same Halliburton that reaps huge rewards from the continued Iraq situation and actually has a say among the Bush Administration over what happens to the post-invasion oil production in Iraq.
"Once you got to Iraq and took it over and took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you gonna put in it's place? That's a very volatile part of the world and if you take down the central government in Iraq you could easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off... It's a quagmire." - Dick Cheney
Wow! Now that seemed like a complete 180-degree turn on Iraq! So what could have happened since 1994 that changed Cheney's mind so drastically on Iraq, even though he so accurately prognosticated what would happen if the US invaded? Oh yeah! He went to work for Halliburton from 1995-2000 and still receives stock and salary benefits from Halliburton as part of his very sweet "retirement" (or as some might argue promotion) package when he stole the White House alongside Bush. Yes, the same Halliburton that reaps huge rewards from the continued Iraq situation and actually has a say among the Bush Administration over what happens to the post-invasion oil production in Iraq.
"Once you got to Iraq and took it over and took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you gonna put in it's place? That's a very volatile part of the world and if you take down the central government in Iraq you could easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off... It's a quagmire." - Dick Cheney